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Íàðóøåí ïàðàãðàô 4(ïóíêò 5) ïðàâèë Óäåëà.Îáñóæäåíèå ìîäåðàòîðñêèõ äåéñòâèé àäìèíèñòðàòîðîâ Óäåëà íà òåððèòîðèè Óäåëà çàïðåùåíî..Îáðàùàþ Âàøå âíèìàíèå òàêæå íà òî,÷òî äåìîíñòðàòèâíîå íåïîä÷èíåíèå ìîäåðàòîðñêîìó ðåøåíèþ òîæå çàïðåùåíî ïðàâèëàìè Óäåëà(ïàðàãðàô 4,ïóíêò 3).
Ðåêîìåíäóåòñÿ âíèìàòåëüíî îçíàêîìèòüñÿ ñ ïðàâèëàìè Óäåëà.-Çàìêîì,ïðè èñïîëíåíèè.
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Íàðóøåí ïàðàãðàô 4(ïóíêò 5) ïðàâèë Óäåëà.Îáñóæäåíèå ìîäåðàòîðñêèõ äåéñòâèé àäìèíèñòðàòîðîâ Óäåëà íà òåððèòîðèè Óäåëà çàïðåùåíî..Îáðàùàþ Âàøå âíèìàíèå òàêæå íà òî,÷òî äåìîíñòðàòèâíîå íåïîä÷èíåíèå ìîäåðàòîðñêîìó ðåøåíèþ òîæå çàïðåùåíî ïðàâèëàìè Óäåëà(ïàðàãðàô 4,ïóíêò 3).
Ðåêîìåíäóåòñÿ âíèìàòåëüíî îçíàêîìèòüñÿ ñ ïðàâèëàìè Óäåëà.-Çàìêîì,ïðè èñïîëíåíèè.
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« Îòâåòèòü #212 Â: 07/21/06 â 21:08:24 » |
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Íàðóøåí ïàðàãðàô 4(ïóíêò 5) ïðàâèë Óäåëà.Îáñóæäåíèå ìîäåðàòîðñêèõ äåéñòâèé àäìèíèñòðàòîðîâ Óäåëà íà òåððèòîðèè Óäåëà çàïðåùåíî..Îáðàùàþ Âàøå âíèìàíèå òàêæå íà òî,÷òî äåìîíñòðàòèâíîå íåïîä÷èíåíèå ìîäåðàòîðñêîìó ðåøåíèþ òîæå çàïðåùåíî ïðàâèëàìè Óäåëà(ïàðàãðàô 4,ïóíêò 3).
Ðåêîìåíäóåòñÿ âíèìàòåëüíî îçíàêîìèòüñÿ ñ ïðàâèëàìè Óäåëà.-Çàìêîì,ïðè èñïîëíåíèè.
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« Îòâåòèòü #213 Â: 07/21/06 â 23:00:32 » |
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on 07/21/06 â 03:37:21, Nadia Yar wrote:| Òàì îáîøëèñü ìàññîâûìè ñîææåíèÿìè. |
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À ñêîëüêî êàòàðîâ áûëî ñîææåíî â Èòàëèè?
Âû çíàåòå?
Quote:| Îäíîé ñâîåé ïðîïîâåäüþ âû êàòàðèçì áû íå ïðèêîí÷èëè íèêîãäà. Ïîõîäû èëè íåò, à ïåðåñïîðèòü êàòàðîâ âàøè ïðîïîâåäíèêè òàê è íå ñìîãëè (ïî ïðè÷èíàì îáüåêòèâíîãî õàðàêòåðà). Ïðèøëîñü êàòàðîâ óáèâàòü. |
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ÄÀÆÅ åñëè è òàê, òî âûõîäèò, ÷òî íàøè ïðîïîâåäíèêè ïåðåóáåäèëè ïîäàâëÿþùåå áîëüøèíñòâî íàñåëåíèÿ- îáåñïå÷èâ íîðìàëüíûå óñëîâèÿ ðàáîòû äëÿ èíêâèçèöèè.
Áåç êðåñòîíîñöåâ.
/Èíêâèçèòîð Ïàäóè çà 12 ëåò (â ê. 13â) ïîäòâåðäèë êàðàþùèåñÿ êàçíüþ ïðåñòóïëåíèÿ òîëüêî â îòíîøåíèè 5 ÷åëîâåê.
"The complex political balance in Italy between cities, Guelf and Ghibelline factions, papacy, and empire resulted in idiosyncratic variations in the treatment of Cathars, but their survival was generally assisted by the unwillingness of independent cities to grant church authorities the powers needed for forcible suppression. The Inquisition and lay Catholic confraternities certainly helped it along, but Catharism's gradual decline in Italy was largely due to changes in the Catholic Church which reduced its appeal."
Danny Yee's review of 'The Cathars' by Malcolm Lambert
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Kurt/Lenwe the Green Elf
"Ìû æå íå ìîæåì îñòàâèòü Ëþäÿì ëåñ íåïðèáðàííûì. À òóò äåëî ïÿòè ñåêóíä - áûë îðê, ñòàë ýêîëîãè÷åñêè ÷èñòûé òðóï... "(R2R)
"There is no such thing as an atheist in a foxhole." (Murphy's Law of Combat)
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« Îòâåòèòü #214 Â: 07/22/06 â 00:38:34 » |
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Ïðåäóïðåæäàþ îôèöèàëüíî:ëþáîå îáñóæäåíèå ìîäåðàöèè,à îñîáåííî ñî÷åòàþùååñÿ ñ èãíîðè
ðîâàíèåì ìîäåðàòîðñêèõ ðåøåíèé,áóäåò ïðåñåêàòüñÿ ñàìûì æåñòèì îáðàçîì.Ïðèíöèï "íå
ìîæåøü-íàó÷èì,íå õî÷åøü-çàñòàâèì" áóäåò îñóùåñòâëÿòüñÿ,êàê è çàÿâëåíî â ïðàâèëàõ.
Ïîïûòêà äàëüíåéøåãî ôëóäà è èãíîðèðîâàíèÿ ìîäåðàòîðñêèõ ðåøåíèé ïðèâåäåò ëèøü ê
áîëåå ñåðüåçíûì ìåðàì â îòíîøåíèè êàê âèðòóàëîâ-"ïðàâäîëþáöåâ",òàê è èõ êóêëîâîäîâ.
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« Îòâåòèòü #215 Â: 07/22/06 â 00:43:53 » |
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[Ïðèáèòî, ïîñêîëüêó áàí, âûíåñåííûé êóêëîâîäó, îòíîñèòñÿ è êî âñåì åãî âèðòóàëàì. R2R, ïðè èñïîëíåíèè]
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Ïî÷åìó, ðåàãèðóþ. Âû îïèñûâàåòå òó ñàìóþ áëàãîäóøíóþ íàäåæäó íà "òåðàïèþ". Çíàåì, åëè.
Ëàïî÷êà, íàñêîëüêî ÿ ïîíèìàþ, Àíòðåêîò óòâåðæäàë, ÷òî åñòü íåêèå ìåòîäèêè, êîòîðûå ðàáîòàþò. Ïðè÷åì, ïèñàë íå÷òî î êîíòðîëå. Ó òåáÿ åñòü îñíîâàíèÿ óòâåðæäàòü, ÷òî íå ðàáîòàþò _âîîáùå íèêàêèå_? À ïî÷åìó?
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« Îòâåòèòü #217 Â: 07/22/06 â 01:00:40 » |
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[Ïðèáèòî îáñóæäåíèå ìîäåðàöèè. R2R, ïðè èñïîëíåíèè]
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Re: Êñòàòè, î åðåñè ïðèìåíèòåëüíî ê êàòàðàì
« Îòâåòèòü #218 Â: 07/22/06 â 14:47:39 » |
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[Îáñóæäåíèå ìîäåðàöèè ïðîøó âåñòè ïðèâàòîì è/èëè â ñïåöèàëüíî óêàçàííûõ ïðàâèëàìè ìåñòàõ. Àíòðåêîò, ïðè èñïîëíåíèè]
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on 07/22/06 â 14:47:50, Shnyd wrote:×òî, ãîòîâèòñÿ ïðèìåíåíèå íåêîíâåíöèàëüíûõ âîîðóæåíèé ? (ïðÿ÷àñü çà ôàéðâîë)
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Äà íåò, âñåãî ëèøü òî, ÷òî óæå áûëî ïðèìåíåíî ê âàøåìó âèðòóàëó, ñóäÿ ïî òîìó, ÷òî âàì ïðèøëîñü ðåãèñòðèðîâàòüñÿ çàíîâî.
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« Îòâåòèòü #220 Â: 07/22/06 â 16:02:55 » |
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[Îáñóæäåíèå ìîäåðàöèè ïðîøó âåñòè ïðèâàòîì è/èëè â ñïåöèàëüíî óêàçàííûõ ïðàâèëàìè ìåñòàõ. Àíòðåêîò, ïðè èñïîëíåíèè]
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Re: Êñòàòè, î åðåñè ïðèìåíèòåëüíî ê êàòàðàì
« Îòâåòèòü #221 Â: 07/23/06 â 08:51:41 » |
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[Îáñóæäåíèå ìîäåðàöèè ïðîøó âåñòè ïðèâàòîì è/èëè â ñïåöèàëüíî óêàçàííûõ ïðàâèëàìè ìåñòàõ. Àíòðåêîò, ïðè èñïîëíåíèè]
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Ùîá êóëè ìûíàëû, ùîá øàáëè íå áðàëû
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Re: Êñòàòè, î åðåñè ïðèìåíèòåëüíî ê êàòàðàì
« Îòâåòèòü #222 Â: 07/30/06 â 04:47:26 » |
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on 07/21/06 â 23:00:32, Kurt wrote:
ÄÀÆÅ åñëè è òàê, òî âûõîäèò, ÷òî íàøè ïðîïîâåäíèêè ïåðåóáåäèëè ïîäàâëÿþùåå áîëüøèíñòâî íàñåëåíèÿ- îáåñïå÷èâ íîðìàëüíûå óñëîâèÿ ðàáîòû äëÿ èíêâèçèöèè. |
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 Âîò èìåííî. Îáåñïå÷èâ ñåáå âîçìîæíîñòü óáèâàòü îïïîíåíòîâ (âñåõ, êòî âàøåìó áðåäó íå ïîääàâàëñÿ), âàøè ëþäè, êîíå÷íî, "ñîçäàëè êîíñåíñóñ". Êàê Ñòàëèí Îí òîæå åãî òî÷íî òàêèì æå ìàíåðîì ñîçäàë. Ïðàâäà, ñ åãî êîíñåíñóñà, â îòëè÷èå îò âàøåãî, áûëà õîòü êàêàÿ-òî ïîëüçà.
Çà öèôðàìè îáðàòèòåñü ê Êðåäåíòåñ, îíà ê íàñ ïî êàòàðàì ñïåöèàëèñò.
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ß ïðåäëàãàþ äëÿ íà÷àëà ñîáðàòüñÿ, îïðåäåëèòü âèíîâàòûõ, ðàññòðåëÿòü, à óæ ïîòîì ðàçáèðàòüñÿ. (ñ)
Ìîé ÆÆ.
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« Îòâåòèòü #223 Â: 07/30/06 â 04:50:36 » |
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on 07/21/06 â 18:23:19, rip wrote:| Ýòî âàì êàæåòñÿ, ÷òî íå èìåþùåé. |
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Íåò, ìíå íè÷åãî íå êàæåòñÿ. ß ïðîñòî íå èùó íàöèñòîâ ïîä êàæäûì ñòîëîì. Ýòî çàíÿòèå äëÿ êðåòèíîâ.
Quote:| Ïîòîìó ÷òî âàì æå ìîæíî ãîâîðèòü òî, ÷òî âû ãîâîðèòå, âû æ íå âèäèòå, íàñêîëüêî îíî ïîõîæå |
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Âû çíàåòå, áûâàåò ðîäèíêà. À áûâàåò ìåëàíîìà. Òàê âîò îíè èíîãäà ïîõîæè... Íî íå îäíî è òî æå. Ïîýòîìó íå ñòîèò íà êàæäóþ ðîäèíêó êèäàòüñÿ ñ âîåì "ýòî ñìåðòü!!!"
Quote:|  îòëè÷èå îò âàñ, ìíå âñå ðàâíî, ïðèíèìàþò ìåíÿ âñåðüåç èëè íåò. |
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Ýòî î÷åíü çàìåòíî.
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ß ïðåäëàãàþ äëÿ íà÷àëà ñîáðàòüñÿ, îïðåäåëèòü âèíîâàòûõ, ðàññòðåëÿòü, à óæ ïîòîì ðàçáèðàòüñÿ. (ñ)
Ìîé ÆÆ.
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Àñàáëiâà æ ëÿñíûÿ ýëüôû ëþáiëi äðàíiêi ç ìà÷àíêàé.
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Re: Êñòàòè, î åðåñè ïðèìåíèòåëüíî ê êàòàðàì
« Îòâåòèòü #224 Â: 07/30/06 â 14:14:14 » |
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on 07/30/06 â 04:47:26, Nadia Yar wrote:| Âîò èìåííî. Îáåñïå÷èâ ñåáå âîçìîæíîñòü óáèâàòü îïïîíåíòîâ... |
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Âû, {êàê ìíå êàæåòñÿ}, âîñïðèíèìàåòå òîëüêî òó èíôîðìàöèþ, êîòîðàÿ óêëàäûâàåòñÿ â âàøó äâóõìåðíóþ êàðòèíó ìèðà.
Âû óòâåðæäàëè, ÷òî íàøè ïðîïîâåäíèêè "íå ìîãëè ïåðåñïîðèòü êàòàðîâ".
Òàê âîò, ìîãëè.
È òî, ÷òî â Èòàëèè ïîêîí÷èëè ñ êàòàðèçìîì áåç Êðåñòîâîãî ïîõîäà - äîêàçàòåëüñòâî ýòîãî.
Àíàëîãèÿ æå ñî ñòàëèíñêèìè ìåòîäàìè ëîæíàÿ - Ñòàëèí ïðèøåë ê âëàñòè óæå ïîñëå îêêóïàöèè Êðàñíîé àðìèåé Âîñòî÷íîé Áåëàðóñè è Â.Óêðàèíû.
È ïîòîì (â 1939 ã) çàõâàòèë Ç.Áåëàðóñü è Ç. Óêðàèíó. Áåç âîéñê íå îáîøåëñÿ.
È âëàñòü â Áåëàðóñè è Óêðàèíå (à òàêæå âî ìíîãèõ äðóãèõ ìåñòàõ, òèïà Ïðèáàëòèêè, ×å÷íè è ò.ä.) áåç âîéñê óäåðæàòü áû íå ìîã.
Ó âîåííûì æå âëèÿíèåì Êàòîëè÷åñêîé Öåðêâè â Åâðîïå ìîæíî âîîáùå ïðåíåáðå÷ü. Ó Öåðêâè âîéñê ïðàêòè÷åñêè íå áûëî.
Äàæå äóõîâíî-ðûöàðñêèå îðäåíà â ÷èñòîì âèäå íå áûëè âîéñêàìè Ïàïû, à óæ îá èõ çàìåòíîì âêëàäå â ïîäàâëåíèå êàòàðèçìà è ãîâîðèòü íå ïðèõîäèòñÿ.
/Êàê âûÿñíèëîñü, âû ÍÅ çíàåòå, ñêîëüêî êàòàðîâ áûëî êàçíåíî â Èòàëèè çà èõ âåðó.
Âû íå ìîãëè áû ñíà÷àëà âûÿñíèòü ýòî, à çàòåì èñïîëüçîâàòü êàê àðãóìåíò?
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Ç ïàâàãàþ,
Kurt/Lenwe the Green Elf
"Ìû æå íå ìîæåì îñòàâèòü Ëþäÿì ëåñ íåïðèáðàííûì. À òóò äåëî ïÿòè ñåêóíä - áûë îðê, ñòàë ýêîëîãè÷åñêè ÷èñòûé òðóï... "(R2R)
"There is no such thing as an atheist in a foxhole." (Murphy's Law of Combat)
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