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Elizabeth was mistress of the situation. Not only was Alva left at the critical moment with an unpaid army, not only was Philip's credit shattered and his prestige shaken, but the private property of his subjects seized exceeded by many times the value of English effects in Spanish hands. To declare war was out of question, so crushing had been the blow to Spanish finance; to play a waiting game was to play into Elizabeth's hands, who was actively preparing her fleet and territorial forces for mobilisation at any moment; and every week was seeing fresh prizes brought by English privateers and her own ships. There was nothing for it but for Spain to make the first advance, and Alva sent over Dr. d'Assonleville, a member of Council of State, accredited by himself to treat. Not being able to show regular credentials from the king, he was at once arrested, and the disclosure of his mission demanded. Till he had seen the ambassador he refused to say a word, and things were again in deadlock.
 
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« #137 : 09/07/09 03:45:38 »
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The provocations heaped upon Spain by English excesses in the years before tha Armada were never intended to compromise the policy of the peace. Elizabeth was, however, the victim of her own divided aims. She had an aggressive Protestant party at home, on whom her throne depended and whom she had to keep appeased; she acknowledged the wisdom of limiting Spanish strength; and she coveted the wealth of the Spanish monarchy. It was not easy, however, to tread on the edge of Spanish tolerance without overstepping its limits; nor, when Elizabeth had reluctantly embarked on a limited war, to keep it to the terrain of her own choosing. Her decision to meddle in Netherlands form 1584, supplying troops for the aid of the rebels against Philip's rule, was made with the aim of enchancing her own security by keeping Spanish arms engaged. One effect of her intervention, however, was to convince Philip II of the argument, which he had frequently heard but consistently resisted, that there could be no peace in the Netherlands until England was conquered or cowed. Thus by trying to thrust her frontier against Spain to safe distance from home, Elizabeth helped to bring war closer. Where a less resourceful or less determined enemy might have been distracted or deterred, Spain was provoked. English infringements of Spain's imperial monopolies in America and the Pacific were similarly ill-judged. ... In any case, English piracy on the Indies sea-routes and interloping in the New World trade were relatively small incursions into the king of Spain's domains. Yet it was impossible for Philip to tolerate them, not only because they compromised his precious 'prestige' but also because they were a constant drain of resources which it seemed cost-effective to try to end, once and for all, even at great short-term expense.
 
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News of Philip's decision to release all English ships affected by teh embargo failed to change the queen's mind. On 20 August, at her palace in Nonsuch, she signed a formal treaty with the Dutch envoys ..."
 
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Such rhetoric left Alva unmoved. Upon receiving the king's letter he replied surely but firmly that an invasion was at this stage out of the question because, 'as I have told Your Magesty, I have not begun to make any preparations'. In any case he declared himself unwilling to hazard his troops in England unless they had guarantees of substantial local support.
 
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